Andersson vs Borg

23 februari 2012 kl 13:13 | Permalänk | Kommentarer(1588)

Mitt i prinsessyran offentliggjorde Stefan Löfven sitt nya lag idag. Magdalena Andersson, nu överdirektör på Skatteverket, blir ny ekonomiskpolitisk talesperson.

Kan Andersson ta fighten mot Borg? Och vad innebär det för Socialdemokraterna att varken Andersson eller Löfven sitter i riksdagen?

Vi välkomnar debattinlägg om detta. Mejla brannpunkt@svd.se

Lena Karvik

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Anonym

Dina bloggar är bland det bästa att läsa i den elektroniska världen. Jag håller med om att det du presenterar är faktabelagt, men du måste hålla med om att tolkningen av faktat kommer från dig, och kan väl därför inte anses helt neutralt?” I en italiensk fiskeby som drabbats av härjningar kunde man avsky och frukta allt vad främlingar hette.” skriver du. Skulle detta inte gälla i vilken by som helst, mot vilken typ av förseelse som helst? Intressantare vore kanske att förstå varför just tex italienare generellt alltid välkomnar gäster på ett oerhört varmt sätt till skillnad från nordeuropeer, generellt, med tanke på att Italienarna borde vara mer misstänksamma då de härjats långt mer av diverse armeer och landsplågor?Skulle vara kul att höra lite om Venedigs storhetstid och deras förhållande till just ottomanerna, slaverna mm.
- Anonym
  
  Jovisst kunde det gälla i vilken by som helst. Att jag nämnde just italienska byar berodde på att de, liksom franska, spanska och portugisiska byar, var tidvis hårt utsatta för saracenska härjningar. Om blogginlägget handlat om exempelvis baltiska sjörövarhärjningar på 1100-talet eller ryska flottans härjningar på 1700-talet hade jag tagit exempel från östra Sverige.
  - BigDemonicBunny
    
    Då kanske du vill ta upp Ryssskräckens historia i Sverige någon gång.
    - Kjell Ericson
      
      Rysskräckens historia i Sverige är intressant.
      
      Samtidigt kanske det är intressant hur rysskräcken förändrades i Finland under tiden 1809-1918.
      
      Historia är skoj. Tack Dick för en bra kort blogg.
Anonym

Tja, inte bara ”fiskebyar”……Poiter ligger ganska norrut och Schweiz är omsluten av Alperna och man kan inte kalla Wien för fiskeby…….och de moderna ”plundringståg” som 9/11, London, Breslan etc är kanske bara lappri….
- Anonym
  
  Prillan blandar och ger friskt mellan olika epoker. Poitiers var platsen i Franrkrike för ett slag 732 mellan franker och saracener efter deras invasion av Spanien – som fortsatte upp i Septimania och Frankerriket. Kalifatet i Cordoba var knappast mindre upplyst än motsvarande kristna kungariken. Tvärtom. Och javisst, ottomanerna belägrade Wien 1683 vilket de Habsburg-fientliga Sverige och Frankrike knappast hade något emot. Sverige hade redan på 1650-talet öppnat ambassad i Konstantinopel (som staden officiellt hette fram till 1960-talet). Ottomanska riket var en av våra viktigaste allierade i det det Stora Nordiska kriget som bröt ut 17 år senare.
  
  Hur Prillan sedan lyckas koppla de skilda historiska händelserna ovan till 9/11 och 7/7 är en väldigt märklig akrobatik.
  Till sist, ”Breslan” syftar nog på Beslan och gisslandramat med tjetjener och ryssar. Jag vet att islamofober gärna inrangerar allt från turkiska basketmatcher till Harmageddon i en jihadistisk konspiration men Ryssland invaderade den del av Kaukasus där Tjetjenien ligger på 1800-talet. Tjetjenien förklarade sig självständigt 1991, men invaderas återigen av Ryssland. Det är en klassisk kolonialkonflikt mer än något annat.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Tobias-Wallin/516001791 Tobias Wallin

Jag tror att man kan se frågan om Islam i Sverige ungefär så här:

1. När Braheväldet gick i graven – och det har det ju gjort eftersom den siste Brahe dog 1930 – tog andra informella makthavare över.

2. Som 17 åring i gymnasiet avslutade jag en uppsats med titeln ”Min uppfattning om religionen” med meningarna ”..Allah är stor säger de. Ett par tre miljoner fanatiska muslimer behöver inte ha Allah i ryggen för att utgöra en maktfaktor.” Detta skrevs under kriget Iran-Irak vilket väl påverkade saken. Men jag tycker själv ändå att jag var otroligt förståndig.

3. Det tidigare ganska etniskt och kulturellt homogena samhället finns inte längre. De informella makthavarna (se 1) kommer att använda samhällsgrupper för att nå egna mål. Situationen är ny för svensk del. Jämförelser med Valloner exempelvis blir missvisande eftersom de var långt färre. Frågan är därför vad sådana där typer som styr samhället genom att styra politiker siktar mot för mål. Ett tag nu har det verkat som om muslimskt låglöneproletariat ska arbeta och betala skatt i Sverige under det att en utvald skara svenskar ska bo i New Sweden i Thailand komplett med Jas-flygvapen och allt.
- Anonym
  
  Och detta har vad med något alls att göra?
Anonym

Jag ser fram emot denna ”fight”, känns som Löfven har förbättrat sossarnas lag.
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http://twitter.com/maxkrus Max

En totalt oerfaren politiker mot en 6 år gammal finansminister. Känns som en tuff start iaf :)
http://www.facebook.com/highonfat Johan Nilsson

Vet inte riktigt vad de ska fightas om? Andersson berömde ju Borgs arbete och skulle inte höja några jobbskatter , återinföra förmöghenskatt eller ändra fastighetsskatten. Med Lövden och Andersson vid rodret lämnar S flum, feminism och annat trams bakom sig och rättar in sig i sakpolitiken igen. Har alltid röstat borgerligt men med den här uppställningen är det svårt att märka några större skillnader på S och M känns tryggt inför framtiden. S har tagit ett steg till mot mitten med Lövden och Andersson, kommer säkert bättre överens med Reinfeldt än med Sjöstedt.
http://svavavalkyrie.wordpress.com Svava

När S går mot mitten tappar man till Sjöstedt på vänsterkanten. Det i sin tur gör att Vs ställning i en ev regering blir mycket stark, och i ett skarpt läge kommer mittenväljarna att dra öronen åt sig hur mycket de än gillar Löfven.

Om S istället går åt vänster lämnas mittfältet tomt åt Reinfeldt.

Det är lite damned if you do över det hela.

Då kan man ju fråga sig varför det inte var så förr, när S hade 40 procent eller mer – och det är enkelt:
1. Det fanns ingen enad höger, så den som var rädd för en splittrad regering var tvungen rösta S – nu är det tvärtom.
2. S var tillräckligt starkt för att kunna regera med bara lite stöd från V eller MP. Nu är S, mycket tack vare Juholts eskapader, så svagt att de måste regera med minst ett av de partierna och dessutom söka stöd hos det andra, och det leder till en misstro som ger tappade röster, och så går det runt i en spiral.

S största chans är om Alliansen gör bort sig big time. De kan själva inte göra mycket för att påverka sin situation.
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Anonym

Jag ställer mej frågan , politik är de ett hederligt jobb ? Själv har jag bra svar, nej !
Anonym

Obama behöver ju inte bli omvald någon mer gång så han kanske är mer okänslig för politiskt korrekta pekpinnar den här mandatperioden? Där ser man…
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Anonym

Och det finns ryska politiker som propagerar för att att både Finland och Baltikum skall återtas och införlivas med Ryssland.
Och det finns kristna ledare i Sverige som säger att handikapp är guds straff.
Förutom att exponera din egen personliga inställning till islam, vad vill du säga med ditt inlägg som borde behandla Europas relationer till muslimska världen under medeltiden?
Hank Wiseman

Å, det var bara en reflektion över att stridigheter mellan muslimer och kristna i Spanien under medeltiden har överlevt fram till nutid. Precis som vissa ryssars ambitioner från 1200-talet att erövra Baltikum och Finland.
Anonym

Ja, om du låter de mest extrema från ena sidan få vara talesmän för hela gruppen bör det väl vara giltigt för alla grupper. Om du refererar till Al-Qaida som representanter för muslimer skall t.ex. Livets ord vara talesmän för vår Svenska kristna kultur?
Jag har tillbringat mycket tid i södra Spanien och de stridigheter som du påstår finns mellan muslimer och kristna i Spanien finns det inte ett spår av hos människor på gatan eller i vanlig media. Som jag skrivit till dig tidigare är det arabiska arvet ingenting man tycks skämmas för där. Tvärtom exponeras kulturarvet från den tiden och t.ex. Alhambra i Granada finns även upptaget UNESCO:s världsarvslista. Besök gärna, helt fantastisk arkitektur.
Hank Wiseman

Det var faktiskt inte bara Al qaida i nedanstående clips men du lyssnade säkert inte igenom det så noga?
Hank Wiseman

Jag har varit där och även in i katedralen i Cordoba. Jag var där som gäst hos personer bofasta i Cordoba så då får man också höra nnat än det som står i tidningarna. Jag har även varit i muslimska länder. I sommar har det blivit Estland, Schweiz och Bulgarien. På måndag Tyskland och om några veckor Indien, som f ö också har en muslimsk minoritet.

Att man vill visa upp det moriska arvet och tjäna pengar på turism är väl inget konstigt. Precis som man även gör med det Romerska, det Visigotiska och det judiska arvet.
Anonym

Det är naturligt att Hank Wisemans första inlägg plockades bort. Ett sammelsurium av släktforskning, spridda fakta och obestyrkta anekdoter.

Annars finns det faktiskt ett ögonvittne till hur samspelet mellan kristna och muslimer kunde se ut i det normandiska kungariket på Sicilien 1184 under Wilhelm den gode. De normandiska kungarna var föregångarna till Fredrik av Hohenstaufen som Dick redan nämnt. Fredriks mor var normandisk-siciliansk prinsessa och han uppfostrades vid hovet i Palermo. Så här beskriver den muslimske geografen Ibn Jubayr från Valencia det normandiska kungariket 1184:

“King Guillaume is wondrous for the excellence of his conduct, and for the use he makes of the Muslims of his kingdom. He employs eunuchs, all or most of whom conceal their Islamic faith but follow Islamic law. He places much trust in Muslims and relies on them in his affairs and the most important matters of his work. Even the manager of his kitchen is a Muslim. He has a staff of Black Muslim servants, led by a chief chosen among them. His ministers and chamberlains – he has a large staff of them – are people of his court and his entourage, and they flaunt the splendour of his kingdom in the proud clothes they wear and the agile horses they ride. Each and every one of them has his own entourage, his own possessions, and his own followers.”

“He pays much attention to his Muslim physicians and . . . also takes great care of them. He will even, when told that a physician or an astrologer is passing through his land, order his detainment, and then provide him with means of living so that he will forget his native land – may God protect Muslims from the seduction of such a fate.””He is about thirty years old, and may God protect Muslims from his power and the extension of his power.”

”One of the most remarkable things told of him is that he reads and writes Arabic, and his ‘alama – according to what one of his personal servants told us – is “Praise be to God; it is righteous to praise him.” And his father’s ‘alema was “Praise be to God in thanks for his graces.”

”The handmaidens and the concubines in the palace are all Muslims. One of the most marvellous things that this servant – Yahya ibn Fityan, the embroiderer, who ornaments the king’s clothing with golden thread – told us was that the Frankish Christian women who came to the castle become Muslims once they are there; the Muslim handmaidens convert them, but they hide the whole affair from the king. Marvellous stories are told concerning the good works of these women.We also heard that there was an earthquake on the island; its trembling terrified this polytheist. As he walked through his palace, he heard his servants, women and men, calling out the name of God and his prophet.Perhaps the sight of him alarmed them, but he said to them: “Let each of you call upon the god you have in faith; let that bring peace to you.”
http://twitter.com/_Ratzz_ Ratzz

Det enda du pulvriserat är intresset för att läsa dina kommentarer Wiseman. Skulle hellre få dig utbytt som kommentator till förmån för någon som skriver kompetenta och stimulerande tillägg och frågeställningar till Dicks alltid lika utmärkta artiklar.
Anonym

Be Torstendahl skriva en blogg om du tycker han är bra. Jag tror du kan framföra kritik mot Harrison på ett mera intressant sätt en skriva inlägg. Nu framstår du som både barnslig och bitter i din kritik mot bloggen. Det är alltid bra att kritisera och ifrågasätta men gör det med relevant fakta och utan att framstå som om du har något personligt mot Harrison.

Kom ihåg att det är en blogg inte en bok om historia. Harrison och det flesta som läser denna blogg är väl medvetna om de komplexa relationer mellan olika civilisationer och religioner och ja att det är sällan svart eller vitt. Om han i ett inlägg i ditt tycke skriver alldeles för ensidigt, så kan du påpeka det vänligt eller skriva en egen blogg där du skriver det du tycker han inte tar upp.

Som sagt vill du föra en diskussion på denna blogg så tror jag du måste ändra tonen på dina inlägg.

Den som förlora mest på detta är du, för du tycks kunnig och påläst om du då har kunskaper som bör förmedlas så gör det bra annars lyssnar inte folk på dig.
sgs

I övrigt menar jag att du borde sluta läsa artiklar skrivna av någon som du anser vara så obildad att till och med du kan ”pulvrisera” hans påståenden.
Vi övriga njuter varje dag av en god skriven och väl balanserad historisk lärorik artikel av Dick H.
Hank Wiseman

OsastoKuismanen,

Mina djupdykningar i mina anfäders historia var enbart för att exemplifiera motbilder till de Dick kommer med. Dicks påstående om att folk förr hade få informationskanaler är helt enkelt osant, generellt sett. De hade inte TV och Radio, så informationen färdades längsamt men fram kom den.

Låt mig fylla på med det du skriver då. I konstantinopel fanns det år 1453 turkiska soldater i kejsarens tjänst som slogs till döden för kejsaren mot ottomanerna. ”Turkish commander Dorgano, who was in Constantinople in the pay of the Emperor, was also guarding one of the quarters of the city on the seaward side with the Turks in his pay.[29] These Turks kept loyal to the Emperor and perished in the ensuing battle.”

Det är inte svart och vitt men i det Dick skrev tidigare var det mest ”vitt”. Därför har han tappat sin trovärdighet som historiker eftersom den vinkling han väljer inte är i överensstämmelse med verkligheten utan en bisarr skönmålning.
Anonym

Att leka med döden p g a blåögdhet är inte förbehållet endast islamofiler – det gäller även -fober. Möjligen får man lite olika sätt att gå hädan på, men all form av enögdhet är tyvärr farlig och i just denna – otroligt tröttsamma – diskussion om Sverige och islam finns det alldeles för många revirpinkare och alldeles för få personer med två ögon. Sedan så tycker jag nog att Dick H klarar sig många gånger bättre än t ex den som kommenterat mest i den här tråden, den vars efternamn jag tycker är mycket missvisande
sgs

Mörkermän som du ser vinklar och vinklingar som vi andra inte ser. Du tror säkert detta beror på ditt fräschare intellekt och klarar syn, men där blir vi troligen inte eniga.